[Olpc-open] Nortel LearniT animations (Seth Woodworth)

[Bryan Berry]

>OLPC cannot currently preload the Adobe Flash player--you'll
> have to load the rpm yourself.

This is obvious, but OLPC could make it easier for implementers to
install flash and proprietary codecs using bundles and the customization
key.


> the project could approach Adobe and ask that they allow the plugin to
be
> > packaged for distribution during school deployments.

You can install the plugin for your own deployment. Unfortunately OLPC,
nor anyone else, can include the plugin in a piece of software that can
be downloaded from the Internet.

On Mon, 2008-03-24 at 12:15 -0400, Walter Bender wrote:
> I don't think anyone is saying, don't use Flash. But it comes at a
> cost: OLPC cannot currently preload the Adobe Flash player--you'll
> have to load the rpm yourself. But perhaps more to the point, Adobe
> may or may not make an effort to improve the quality of Flash on the
> XO laptop. The Gnash team--with help from the community--will make
> that effort. So, it seems that when and where we can, we should be
> supporting Gnash.
> 
> -walter
> 
> 2008/3/24 Carol Lerche <cafl at msbit.com>:
> > I'd just like to second Bryan's viewpoint here.  Hewing to the open media
> > line has been impossible for my small deployment, and my past experience
> > supporting technology in a larger school context is consistent with this.
> > Find a sensible middle ground to make it easy and seamless for those
> > deploying the XS/XO combination in real schools to install ubiquitous free
> > (as in beer) components, and work toward better licenses and open codecs as
> > a background goal.  There is just too much to do for the kids.  In the
> > specific case of Adobe flash, it would be excellent if someone friendly to
> > the project could approach Adobe and ask that they allow the plugin to be
> > packaged for distribution during school deployments.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Bryan Berry <bryan.berry at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Can these modules be recoded for Gnash? I don't see this as an
> > either/or.
> > >
> > > Frankly I don't have the time for this, preparing for a deployment is
> > > extremely time-consuming. If I were to recode them, I fear I would find
> > > a whole new set of flash-based materials that would need to be recoded.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, 2008-03-24 at 00:58 -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote:
> > > > On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Bryan Berry <bryan.berry at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > Edward Cherlin Wrote:
> > > > >  > That might be the quickest strategy, but I don't agree that it is
> > the best.
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  > * Gnash needs funding and developers. Let's do it. Rob Savoye says,
> > as
> > > > >  > I understand it, that more codecs have been cracked but not coded
> > for.
> > > > >  > Rob, can we get the list? Is there a roadmap for implementation? I
> > > > >  > didn't see it in any of the obvious places.
> > > > >
> > > > >  Sugar needs more developers, the XS needs more developers and
> > resources,
> > > > >  this project as a whole needs a lot more resources.
> > > > >
> > > > >  There are a lot of awesome flash-based modules for magnetism,
> > > > >  electricity, math, and basic science. Flash is pervasive in
> > educational
> > > > >  courseware development. We shouldn't make kids wait until we come up
> > > > >  with a completely free alternative to Flash.
> > > >
> > > > Can these modules be recoded for Gnash? I don't see this as an
> > either/or.
> > > >
> > > > I am willing to discuss bundling Flash on the XO if Adobe will give us
> > > > a license. I am willing to work out an easy download process if not.
> > > > Regardless of that we need to finish Gnash, and get as many Flash
> > > > videos as possible recoded for Gnash. Different people can choose
> > > > which of those paths to work on, if they like.
> > > >
> > > > >  One aspect of this project is that kids can discover things on their
> > > > >  own. If we have very limited flash support we are limiting what kids
> > can
> > > > >  discover to works that we have transcoded or Gnash fully supports.
> > > > >
> > > > >  OLPC can't bundle flash into their images but they can make it
> > > > >  significantly easier for deployment teams to add it as an .xo bundle
> > > > >  just as we currently add custom activity bundles.
> > > > >
> > > > >  I agree that the long-term strategy should be to support Gnash and/or
> > > > >  get Adobe to open up their Flash player. But we have pilots running
> > now
> > > > >  and kids that want to learn science, mathematics, English, etc. Let's
> > > > >  not make them wait.
> > > > >
> > > > >  Bryan
> > > > >  Kathmandu
> > > >
> > > > We seem to agree on the principles, and we can recruit for each of the
> > > > alternatives.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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