(another) WebKit port of Browse

Bobby Powers bobbypowers at gmail.com
Mon Jul 7 19:24:16 EDT 2008


On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 7:06 PM, Carol Lerche <cafl at msbit.com> wrote:
> The UI seems pretty important to me, but obviously that's a matter of
> taste.  Not everyone likes tabbed browsing.  Correct operation of websites
> that fail with the extant browser.  Direct availability of plugins and
> addons.  One example:  scrapbook, a superb research tool.  Another example
> Google Gears (according to a recent mail being ported, presumably  because
> the browser is not standard).  I am not familiar with the Firefox codebase,
> and perhaps all these things are directly available so long as the Firefox 3
> engine is there, but if so, there desperately needs to be a detailed body of
> documentation telling how to access these capabilities.

Carol -

I created a page on the wiki to list these problem sites.  Can you
please record these sites there?
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Browse/ProblemSites

And, to be fair, Gears is not (only) a website, its a browser plug-in
that allows you to interact with certain websites offline. (and I do
think someone is working on porting it as you said).

Bobby

> On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Bobby Powers <bobbypowers at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> 2008/7/7 Carol Lerche <cafl at msbit.com>:
>> > Client certs can be used for authentication with no changes to a Firefox
>> > browser or an Apache server.  GTK based as well as web based software to
>> > create certs also already exists.   What sort of patch are you looking
>> > for?
>> > I could certainly provide a page running in an apache server to validate
>> > a
>> > request for and implant a client cert in a Firefox browser.   The issue
>> > of
>> > certificate creation needs a little more discussion, not because it is
>> > difficult or requires a lot of new software to execute, but because it
>> > is
>> > important to be clear about the requirements.  When you describe the
>> > overhead, do you mean the overhead of creating the certs?  Examining
>> > them
>> > when someone first logs on?
>> >
>> > I raised this alternative because you said that a bespoke browser was a
>> > requirement to have automatic authentication with the school server.  To
>> > me,
>> > the benefits of running a standard browser are so substantial that this
>> > trade off should be considered.
>>
>> Can you explain these benefits?  Both Gecko and WebKit are standard
>> browser engines.  I don't see much to be gained from a UI perspective
>> (which presumably is what you're taking about?) by switching to FF3.
>> Performance is the only compelling reason I see.
>>
>> Bobby
>>
>> > On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Martin Langhoff
>> > <martin.langhoff at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 7:20 PM, Carol Lerche <cafl at msbit.com> wrote:
>> >> > Why does automatic authentication require a custom browser?  Client
>> >> > certificates work well for this function in ordinary web applications
>> >> > (assuming a properly configured server).
>> >>
>> >> I haven't delved into this deeply yet, but I suspect that, while I am
>> >> fond of client certs, they won't work - SSL network and CPU overhead
>> >> and sidestepping PKI madness for server certs. More on this when I get
>> >> to implement it.
>> >>
>> >> Now, anyone who wants to have a strong say on how I am developing this
>> >> is free to start implementing it ahead of me, and showing me some
>> >> fantastic patches :-)
>> >>
>> >> cheers,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> m
>> >> --
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>> >
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