On Jan 17, 2008, at 5:49 PM, Antoine van Gelder wrote: > Bennett Todd wrote: >> Let's get a concrete definition of "violence" and I think the >> disagreement will fade right out. > > > If I did it to you and you would go *ouch* as a result then it is > violent. This rules out Minesweeper, Mario, Sim^WMicropolis, etc etc. --Noah