"Chilling Effects" paper at USENIX UPSEC

John Watlington wad at laptop.org
Thu Apr 10 10:54:03 EDT 2008


The most represive school systems we have been talking
to have been the ones in the U.S.    They even claim that they
have a legal obligation to break internet access on the
laptop everywhere but the school, to ensure compliance
with "the law".

I personally configured the server to not log IP addresses
on HTTP requests, but that will only be used in developing
countries.   You can bet that most school systems running
their own cache/filter/proxy WILL log this info.

Forget BitFrost, these kids are being betrayed by basic
networking mechanisms (such as persistent MAC and IP
addresses.)

wad

>>    2.  BitFrost does not promise anonymity to school children.
>
> This is a valid criticism of a social scheme such as "give one laptop
> to every child", and as pointed out by the authors, a scheme being
> rolled out in some very violent, repressive countries like Nigeria.
>
>> It would have been nice if the criticisms had been delivered  
>> directly to
>> OLPC, instead of broadcast in a public forum, ...
>
> Almost every OLPC forum, including olpc-security, is a public forum.
> If the enemies of OLPC aren't reading its open mailing lists, they
> aren't very competent enemies.  It's actually more likely that they
> would notice OLPC criticisms in OLPC forums, rather than at a small
> USENIX workshop.  Indeed, it's the discussion of the paper here that
> has probably "tipped off" OLPC's enemies.  Shh!!!
>
>> I believe that the prevailing ethos in the white hat security  
>> community
>> is to report newly-discovered vulnerabilities first to the company in
>> question, thus giving them some amount of time to develop a patch  
>> before
>> the public announcement.
>
> The authors didn't identify any buffer overflows or similar issues.
> The things they identified were wrong at the fundamental design level,
> and are not trivially patchable.
>
> Luckily, some of them were "design goals" that never got implemented,
> like signing everything with the child's private key.  Thus, many of
> the BitFrost mistakes which they point out, are not actual problems in
> the current shipping XO.
>
>> The authors appear to be academics, however, so they would get little
>> credit for having contributed to OLPC security by privately  
>> contacting
>> OLPC and giving us an opportunity to address their concerns.
>
> Ahem.
>
> I have given generously of my time to OLPC by following the project
> for some three years now; testing B1, B2, B4, and MP machines;
> supporting G1G1 users; recruiting and paying others to contribute;
> researching SD card protocols; contributing to discussions by email,
> phone, and IM; and filing dozens of bug reports.  OLPC has seldom
> graciously "addressed my concerns" on fundamental design issues, such
> as BitFrost, activation, developer keys, GPL compliance, game keys, or
> anything else.  When I wasn't ignored, I was criticized for attacking
> OLPC, or for failing to write up my concerns as a properly tested
> source code patch.  It has been hard -- indeed, impossible -- for me
> to gin up the requisite perseverence to actually implement anything
> for OLPC, except small patches to SimCity.  (Making those patches
> turned up numerous bugs, which I reported, which are still largely
> being ignored.)
>
> The BitFrost spec was so clearly a personal hobbyhorse of Ivan that
> questioning its basic assumptions was heresy, grudgingly tolerated due
> to my reputation, but otherwise ignored.  I decided very early on that
> it wasn't worth wasting my time and making people mad by criticizing
> BitFrost in detail, partly because I expected it to fall flat on its
> face.  The parts that were worth focusing on were the pervasive DRM
> (maybe now that Ivan's gone, I can go back to using the right name for
> "crypto that disables the owner's control").  And I was ignored and
> vilified on *that* until I escalated the DRM issue to Richard Stallman
> over OLPC's ongoing non-compliance with GPLv3 (and also pointed out
> non-compliance with GPLv2, which is ongoing).
>
> OLPC staff are overworked and underappreciated.  Working in the glare
> of publicity has not made their jobs easier.  But giving OLPC an
> opportunity to address your concerns is pretty much a null concept.
> OLPC barely has the opportunity to address its own opportunities.
>
> 	John
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