Hi Emanuel,<br><br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Emanuel VonAnkh <<a href="mailto:vonankh@gmail.com" target="_blank">vonankh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>Reading up on the OLPC battery info at various OLPC sites, I have come to the hypohesis <br>that there may be possible to fix battery by either: <br><br>a) Direct hardware intervention (ie. open up the battery) <br>b) Testing various charge/discharge scenarios... <br>
<br>a) The idea was put forward on some posts that the charge voltage is too high (what about discharge?), making the circuitry think the battery is full before it is. One should then be able to insert a resistive diode bridge limiting the charge current. (Ie a parallel connection of 2 diodes with a resistor in series.) But I would need the internal schematics for the battery for this. (Where can i find this?) I also read there is an EEPROM inside the battery. How does that work? And what is it doing?<br>
</blockquote><div><br>Take a look at <br>
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<a href="http://dirakx.blogspot.com/2007/06/1-wire-protocol.html">http://dirakx.blogspot.com/2007/06/1-wire-protocol.html</a><br>
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also take a look at the OpenEC proyect on the wiki..<br>
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<a href="http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OpenEC">http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OpenEC</a><br>
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hope it helps.. <br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br>b) One old post mentioned the formation of crystals within (LiMH and NiCd) batteries. If this is also the case for the OLPC LiFePO4 batteries, these "crystals" would preferably be "melted". Melting is usually done with heat and thus we should apply heat! :) A second and related fact is that charge/discharge characteristics strongly depend on temperature. I thus suggest the following tests: <br>
<br>1) complete discharge at >30 C and recharge >30 C <br>2) complete discharge at < 1 C and recharge >30 C <br>3) complete discharge at >30 C and recharge < 1 C <br>4) complete discharge at < 1 C and recharge < 1 C <br>
<br>My intuition tells me perhaps (1) followed by (3) is the most likely to succed in getting your battery operating, if it is just a matter of fixing the internal battery chemistry. However from what Richard says, perhaps this is not the case. <br>
<br>I would love to hear more input on this...<br><br>Finally, I DO NOT TAKE ANY RESPONSIBILITY for what someone may attempt <br></blockquote><div><br>i'd like to coment more about these steps but i think that a hardware hack + heat would't be enough to fix the battery, i guess these are manufactoring errors.<br>
</div><div><br><br>PS i'm not the expert these are only opinions based in what i've researched about OLPC's batteries. (Richard would know better)<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><b>> Richard A. Smith</b>
<a href="mailto:community-support%40lists.laptop.org?Subject=%5Bolpc-help%5D%20Low%20Battery%20Shutdown%20although%20full%20battery%20%28problem%29&In-Reply-To=1788cbd00803020831w3722bcdar73cbadc2270a857%40mail.gmail.com" title="[olpc-help] Low Battery Shutdown although full battery (problem)" target="_blank">richard at laptop.org
</a>wrote:<br><br>>> the problem is just concerning replacement of a part I'd rather<br>>> attempt that on my own, rather than having to wait a month or more for<br>>> a replacement. What is the actual problem?<br>
>> In the battery or laptop or both?<br>><br>>The problem is in the batteries. On the batteries I've analyzed the <br>>charge voltage curve is much too steep. Its crosses the upper cutoff <br>>and the circuitry in the battery disconnects the cells from the charge <br>
>path.<br>><br>>I have a small collection of batteries from RMAs that I am sending back <br>>to the mfg for detailed analysis.<br><br>
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