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Caro Schara,<div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Não acredito que se esteja assumindo tal a "ferro e fogo", por enquanto. Creio até que o Jaime esteja inferindo, da memsma forma que eu (e outros também) com base nas notícias que — até agora — têm sido veiculadas. Mas... cá entre nós, por que seria outro?</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>— paulo</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><div><div>On Dec 19, 2007, at 1:15 PM, Luiz Magalhaes wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div><font face="Arial" size="2">Vocês não podem assumir que a positivo vai vender o classmate.</font></div><div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div><div><font face="Arial" size="2"> --schara</font></div><div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div><div><font face="Arial" size="2">PS. Mas o classmate tem mesh.</font></div><blockquote style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; margin-right: 0px; "><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; ">----- Original Message -----</div><div style="background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; background-position: initial initial; "><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="alexandrevandesande@gmail.com" href="mailto:alexandrevandesande@gmail.com">Alexandre Van de Sande</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="ptdrumm@terra.com.br" href="mailto:ptdrumm@terra.com.br">Paulo Drummond</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="brasil@laptop.org" href="mailto:brasil@laptop.org">OLPC Brasil</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, December 19, 2007 12:41 PM</div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>{Disarmed} Re: [OLPC Brasil] andamento da licitação</div><div><br></div>então a positivo informática tem um laptop que faz mesh networking, tem camera, microfone e que atende as exigencias de tela e resistencia do edital?<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Dec 19, 2007 12:34 PM, Paulo Drummond <<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ptdrumm@terra.com.br">ptdrumm@terra.com.br</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="padding-left: 1ex; margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; ">Tratamento Diferenciado: -<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Situação do Item: Realizar Aceitação Qtde Aceita:<br>0<br><br>CNPJ/CPF Razão Social/Nome Porte<br>ME/EPP Declaração<br>ME/EPP Qtde<br>Ofertada Melhor Lance<br>(R$) Data/Hora<br>Melhor Lance Valor Negoc.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>(R$) Situação do Lance<br>81.243.735/0001-48 POSITIVO INFORMATICA S/A Não Não 150.000<br>98.180.000,0000 19/12/2007 12:15:31:553<br>Marca: Positivo Informática<br>Fabricante: POSITIVO INFORMÁTICA S.A.<br>Descrição Complementar: Atende plenamente as especificações,<br>condições e prazos exigidos no edital e anexos.<br>07.130.025/0001-59 DIGIBRAS INDUSTRIA DO BRASIL S/A Sim Não<br>150.000 98.800.000 ,0000 19/12/2007 12:12:55:287<br>Marca: CCE - Modelo CM 21<br>Fabricante: Digibras<br>Descrição Complementar: Informamos que atendemos todos os requisitos<br>do Edital conforme Item 8 do anexo 1<br>06.964.587/0001-35 SIMM - SOLUCOES INTELIGENTES PARA MERCADO MOVEL<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>DO BRAS Não Não 150.000 104.595.000,0000 19/12/2007 11:58:57:583<br>Marca: OLPC XO<br>Fabricante: OLPC<br>Descrição Complementar: Computador Laptop Educacional Desenvolvido<br>para Utilização por Crianças<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>01.169.999/0001-60 REIFASA COMERCIAL LTDA Sim Não 150.000<br>113.999.990,9900 19/12/2007 11:53:41:430<br>Marca: CCE<br>Fabricante: CCE<br>Descrição Complementar: Atende a todas as especificações do edital.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>54.526.082/0004-84 ITAUTEC S.A. - GRUPO ITAUTEC Não Não 150.000<br>175.579.460,0000 18/12/2007 15:19:06:850<br>Marca: Itautec<br>Fabricante: Itautec<br>Descrição Complementar: De acordo com as especificações do Edital nº<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>59/2007 e seus Anexos<br>03.474.553/0001-74 TELIS ELETRONICOS LTDA. Não Não 150.000<br>450.000.000,0000 18/12/2007 14:45:03:380<br>Marca: Pacific Network<br>Fabricante: Pacific Network<br>Descrição Complementar: Lap To conforme descrição do edital.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>08.762.474/0001-82 AUTOSIS INFORMATICA LTDA EPP Sim Sim 150.000<br>750.000.000,0000 18/12/2007 14:45:03:397<br>Marca: SONY<br>Fabricante: SONY<br>Descrição Complementar: ESPECIFICACÕES EM NOSSA PROPOSTA<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>05.201.844/0001-14 MAIS IMAGEM LOCACOES LTDA EPP Sim Sim 150.000<br><a href="http://2.250.000.000" target="_blank"><font color="red"><b>LimpaMail avisa: links num�ricos tamb�m s�o maliciosos:</b></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>2.250.000.000</a>,0000 18/12/2007 14:45:03:397<br>Marca: acer / sony vaio<br>Fabricante: acer / sony vaio<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Descrição Complementar: descrição conforme edital e seus anexos<br><div class="Ih2E3d"><br><br>On Dec 19, 2007, at 12:29 PM, Jaime Balbino wrote:<br><br></div><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">> Como você sabe que foi da Positivo, Paulo?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><br>> Em 19/12/07, Paulo Drummond<<a href="mailto:ptdrumm@terra.com.br">ptdrumm@terra.com.br</a>> escreveu:<br>>><br>>> On Dec 19, 2007, at 12:24 PM, Jaime Balbino wrote:<br>>><br>>>> A fase de lance está encerrada. O melhor lance foi de 98,18 milhões<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>> de reais.<br>>><br>>> Da Positivo (Classmate)<br>>><br>>>><br>>>> O pregoeiro ainda afirma que o valor é alto, por isso o leilão<br>>>> entrará<br>>>> em uma nova fase de negociação via chat direto com ele.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>><br>>>> Vamos continuar acompanhando.<br>>>><br>>>> O Alexandre e eu achamos que o "preço de referência" não deve ser<br>>>> US$<br>>>> 250, mas algo próximo dos US$ 350 para poder incluir os impostos<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>> e os<br>>>> demais compromissos. Se for isso, o último valor ofertado não estará<br>>>> longe da meta do governo, que seria de US$ 94,5 milhões<br>>>> aproximadamente.<br>>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>> Um abraço,<br>>>> Jaime.<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> MINISTÉRIO DA EDUCAÇÃO<br>>>> Fundo Nacional de Desenvolvimento da Educação<br>>>><br>>>> Pregão nº 592007 - Eletrônico<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>> Objeto: Objeto: Pregão Eletrônico - Contratação de empresa<br>>>> especializada para fornecimento de 150.000 equipamentos portáteis<br>>>> denominados laptops educacionais, para atendimento de 300 escolas do<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>> Piloto do Projeto ´Um Computador por Aluno (UCA), na forma e<br>>>> condições<br>>>> estabelecidas no Edital e seus anexos.<br>>>> Data da Realização (início dos lances): 18/12/2007 14:30<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>> Data da Abertura da Sessão: 18/12/2007 14:45<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> Para ver as propostas recebidas, clique sobre o número do item.<br>>>> Item Descrição Tratamento<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>> Diferenciado Situação Melhor Lance<br>>>> 1 MICROCOMPUTADOR PESSOAL TIPO LAPTOP - Realizar<br>>>> Aceitação R$<br>>>> 98.180.000,0000<br>>>> Tratamento Diferenciado Tipo I: Participação Exclusiva de ME/EPP<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>> Tratamento Diferenciado Tipo II: Exigência de subcontratação de<br>>>> ME/EPP<br>>>> Tratamento Diferenciado Tipo III: Cota para participação exclusiva<br>>>> de ME/EPP<br>>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> MINISTÉRIO DA EDUCAÇÃO<br>>>> Fundo Nacional de Desenvolvimento da Educação<br>>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>> Pregão nº 592007 - Eletrônico<br>>>> Objeto: Objeto: Pregão Eletrônico - Contratação de empresa<br>>>> especializada para fornecimento de 150.000 equipamentos portáteis<br>>>> denominados laptops educacionais, para atendimento de 300 escolas do<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>> Piloto do Projeto ´Um Computador por Aluno (UCA), na forma e<br>>>> condições<br>>>> estabelecidas no Edital e seus anexos.<br>>>> Data da Realização (início dos lances): 18/12/2007 14:30<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>> Data da Abertura da Sessão: 18/12/2007 14:45<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> Para ver as propostas recebidas, clique sobre o número do item.<br>>>> Item Descrição Tratamento<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>> Diferenciado Situação Melhor Lance<br>>>> 1 MICROCOMPUTADOR PESSOAL TIPO LAPTOP - Realizar<br>>>> Aceitação R$<br>>>> 98.180.000,0000<br>>>> Tratamento Diferenciado Tipo I: Participação Exclusiva de ME/EPP<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>> Tratamento Diferenciado Tipo II: Exigência de subcontratação de<br>>>> ME/EPP<br>>>> Tratamento Diferenciado Tipo III: Cota para participação exclusiva<br>>>> de ME/EPP<br>>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>> sos do leilão. Se o valor for esse o último valor ofertado não está<br>>>> longe do<br>>>><br>>>> Em 19/12/07, Jaime Balbino<<a href="mailto:jaimebalb@gmail.com">jaimebalb@gmail.com<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></a>> escreveu:<br>>>>> Rompemos a barreira dos 100! A melhores ofertas foram 99,736<br>>>>> milhões<br>>>>> de reais e de 99,4 milhões agora.<br>>>>><br>>>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>><br>>>>> Em 19/12/07, Jaime Balbino<<a href="mailto:jaimebalb@gmail.com">jaimebalb@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<br>>>>>> O pregoeiro ameçou revogar o leilão se os valores não chegarem ao<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>> "preço de referência" que só ele sabe qual é.<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> O menor lance até agora é 101,5 milhões de reais.<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> E continua caindo...<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>><br>>>>>> Jaime Balbino<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> Em 19/12/07, Jaime Balbino<<a href="mailto:jaimebalb@gmail.com">jaimebalb@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<br>>>>>>> O preço continua caindo com várias ofertas, a última é de 103,7<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>> milhões ou R$ 691,33. Se o governo tirar os impostos como<br>>>>>>> prometeu o<br>>>>>>> valor final ficará abaixo de R$ 350 por máquina.<br>>>>>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>> Mesmo assim o pregoeiro avisou mais uma vez que os valores estão<br>>>>>>> "muito acima" do esperado e aguarda mais "propostas efetivas".<br>>>>>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>> Não dá para saber até onde isso é verdade ou se é só "caô" do<br>>>>>>> preogoeiro.<br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>> Um abraço,<br>>>>>>> Jaime.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>><br>>>>>>> Em 19/12/07, Jaime Balbino<<a href="mailto:jaimebalb@gmail.com">jaimebalb@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<br>>>>>>>> Outra oferta de 105,45 milhões de reais ou R$ 703.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>> Em 19/12/07, Jaime Balbino<<a href="mailto:jaimebalb@gmail.com">jaimebalb@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<br>>>>>>>>> A estratégia parece que funcionou, a melhor oferta agora é<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>> 107,92<br>>>>>>>>> milhões de reais.<br>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>> Em 19/12/07, Jaime Balbino<<a href="mailto:jaimebalb@gmail.com"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>jaimebalb@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<br>>>>>>>>>> Alguém ofertou R$ 109,7 milhões!<br>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>> Jaime Balbino<br>>>>>>>>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>> Em 19/12/07, Jaime Balbino<<a href="mailto:jaimebalb@gmail.com">jaimebalb@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<br>>>>>>>>>>> A queda livre continua a menos de 1 minuto do encerramento.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>> O melhor<br>>>>>>>>>>> valor agora é R$ 116 milhões.<br>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>> Um abraço,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>> Jaime.<br>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>> Em 19/12/07, Jaime Balbino<<a href="mailto:jaimebalb@gmail.com">jaimebalb@gmail.com<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></a>> escreveu:<br>>>>>>>>>>>> O melhor lance até agora é de 117,8 milhões. Faltam 7<br>>>>>>>>>>>> minutos para o<br>>>>>>>>>>>> término do leilão.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>> Jaime Balbino<br>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 19/12/07, Jaime Balbino<<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:jaimebalb@gmail.com">jaimebalb@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<br>>>>>>>>>>>>> As ofertas estão aparecendo muito rápido, agora já estamos<br>>>>>>>>>>>>> em 118,35<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>> milhões. Mas o pregoeiro fala:<br>>>>>>>>>>>>> (19/12/2007 11:36:54) É com muita tristeza que<br>>>>>>>>>>>>> informamos que os<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>> lances ainda estão muito acima da expectativa da<br>>>>>>>>>>>>> Administração e do<br>>>>>>>>>>>>> orçamento previsto para esta aquisição, mesmo com a<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>> proximidade do<br>>>>>>>>>>>>> período de 'Encerramento Aleatório'. Voltamos a lembrar<br>>>>>>>>>>>>> que seremos<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>> obrigados a cancelar o certame caso a expectativa<br>>>>>>>>>>>>> orçamentária não<br>>>>>>>>>>>>> seja alcançada.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ou seja, o leilão pode dar em nada!<br>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>> Não sei se o pregoeiro irá divulgar o tal "valor de<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>> referência" para<br>>>>>>>>>>>>> forçar um acordo de última hora.<br>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>> Um abraço,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jaime.<br>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 19/12/07, Jaime Balbino<<a href="mailto:jaimebalb@gmail.com"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>jaimebalb@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Os lances estão rápidos, agora é 118,5. menos 100 mil em<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relação ao anterior.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Não dá para saber se é o mesmo licitante tentando chegar<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ao valor "de<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>> referência" ou se está havendo disputa.<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Um abraço,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jaime.<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 19/12/07, Jaime Balbino<<a href="mailto:jaimebalb@gmail.com"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>jaimebalb@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Agora o lance é de 118,6 milhões. Uma redução ridícula<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> para a proposta<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anterior, mas bem considerável para o primeiro melhor<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lance de ontem,<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> superior aos 140 milhões de reais.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jaime Balbino<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 19/12/07, Jaime Balbino<<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:jaimebalb@gmail.com">jaimebalb@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mais um lance um pouquinho melhor, de 118,699 milhões,<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ou seja R$ 1,34<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mais barato que o anterior por máquina.<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jaime Balbino<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 19/12/07, Jaime Balbino<<a href="mailto:jaimebalb@gmail.com">jaimebalb@gmail.com</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> escreveu:<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> O melhor valor agora é 118,7 milhões de reais ou R$<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 791,33 por máquina.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E o leilão está acabando, pregoeiro fala:<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (19/12/2007 11:19:34) Atenção! Entramos no período<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> de 'Iminência de<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Encerramento' no qual os lances podem e devem<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> continuar a ser<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> encaminhados, principalmente em função de que<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> continuam muito elevados<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> em relação ao preço de referência da Administração.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ou seja os preços continuam altos para o pregoeiro,<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mas o leilão se<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> encerrá mesmo assim, aleatoriamente, após às 11:47h.<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mas o preogeiro também alega que: "Todavia,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comunicamos que caso não<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seja alcançada a meta de preço pretendida pela<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Administração, o pregão<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> não será adjudicado."<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ou seja, quem ganhar não necessariamente irá levar.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 19/12/07, Jaime Balbino<<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:jaimebalb@gmail.com">jaimebalb@gmail.com</a>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> escreveu:<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rompemos a barreira dos 120. O melhor lance agora é<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> de 119,2 milhões.<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jaime Balbino<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 19/12/07, Jaime Balbino<<a href="mailto:jaimebalb@gmail.com">jaimebalb@gmail.com<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></a>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> escreveu:<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mais um lance abaixo de 123,5 milhões de reais ou R$<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 823 por máquina.<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jaime Balbino<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 19/12/07, Jaime Balbino<<a href="mailto:jaimebalb@gmail.com">jaimebalb@gmail.com<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></a>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> escreveu:<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Os lances estão abaixando, já diminuíram do entorno<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> de 127 milhões de<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reais para 124,9 milhões. Uma redução bem<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> considerável.<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mas o pregoeiro continua insistindo que o valor<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> está alto e pede<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> também que a composição de preços inclua todos os<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impostos por<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> escrito.<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Não dá para saber quem deu o lance ou se todas<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> essas reduções são do<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mesmo concorrente ou ainda se está havendo uma<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disputa entre dois ou<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mais concorrentes.<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Um abraço,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jaime Balbino<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 18/12/07, Jaime Balbino<<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:jaimebalb@gmail.com">jaimebalb@gmail.com</a>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> escreveu:<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dei uma olhada agora. O leilão ficou suspenso às<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 18:00h e será<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> retomado amanhã cedo (9:30h). O menor valor agora<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> é 128,26 milhões de<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reais, quase 20 milhões de diferença para a<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> primeira proposta maisd<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> baixa.<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eu e outros erramos feio ao achar que o preço não<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> poderia cair mais.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mas o pregoeiro ainda afirma que o valor está bem<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acima do "preço de<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> referência", que só ele sabe qual é.<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abaixo transcrevo as últimas mensagens do<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pregoeiro:<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "(18/12/2007 18:02:24) Senhores, chegamos ao final<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deste dia sem que<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> houvesse uma redução de preços realmente<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> significativa, sendo que os<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> valores cotados permanecem completamente<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inaceitáveis.<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (18/12/2007 18:03:02) Desta forma, considerando<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> que os preços cotados<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> permanecem MUITO altos em relação ao preço de<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> referência da<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Administração, o que impede de entrar no período<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> de iminência de<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> encerramento, suspenderemos o pregão neste momento<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> para avaliação.<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Retornaremos amanhã, 19/12/2007, às 9:30h, com<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> novas informações,<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ficando desde já todos os licitantes convocados a<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acompanhar.<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (18/12/2007 18:04:00) Nesse ínterim, pedimos o<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> esforço de todos no<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sentido de revisar suas planilhas de custos, a fim<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> de cotar preços<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compatíveis com aquele orçado pela Administração.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (18/12/2007 18:04:22) Obrigado!"<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Um abraço,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jaime Balbino<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 18/12/07, José Antonio<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:joseantoniorocha@gmail.com">joseantoniorocha@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ItemDescriçãoTratamento<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DiferenciadoSituaçãoMelhor Lance<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ItemDescriçãoTratamento<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DiferenciadoSituaçãoMelhor Lance<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 MICROCOMPUTADOR PESSOAL TIPO LAPTOP - Aberto<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> para Lances 1 MICROCOMPUTADOR PESSOAL TIPO LAPTOP<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Aberto para Lances R$ 129.700.000,0000<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 18, 2007 5:52 PM, José Antonio<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <<a href="mailto:joseantoniorocha@gmail.com"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>joseantoniorocha@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pequenos cálculos com o preço atual aqui:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?" target="_blank">http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?</a><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> key=pH0vKjJkMrh3kdYXJ2dlaJA&hl=pt_BR<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 18, 2007 5:50 PM, José Antonio<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <<a href="mailto:joseantoniorocha@gmail.com">joseantoniorocha@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pregoeiro fala:<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (18/12/2007 17:41:38) Comunicamos que não está<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sendo levada em consideração qualquer redução<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> de preço com base em convênio publicado nesta<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> data.<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ItemDescriçãoTratamento<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DiferenciadoSituaçãoMelhor Lance<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 MICROCOMPUTADOR PESSOAL TIPO LAPTOP - Aberto<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> para Lances R$ 140.100.000,0000<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 18, 2007 3:29 PM, Jaime Balbino<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <<a href="mailto:jaimebalb@gmail.com">jaimebalb@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pessoal,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Estou acompanhando a licitação de 150 mil<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laptops. O processo começou<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 14:45 (previsto incialmente para 14:30h).<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tivemos 8 propostas, a mais alta foi de mais<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> de 2 bilhões de reais<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pelos 150 mil laptops.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A mais baixa foi de 143 milhões de reais. Não<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dá para saber quem fez a oferta.<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Este valor mais baixo significa 953 reais por<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laptop. O problema é que<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> o governo quer pagar 300 dólares por máquina<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no máximo. O que dá hoje<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 840 reais por laptop.<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> O leiloeiro está insistindo para que os<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> participantes refaçam a<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposta para se chegar a um valor mais<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> próximo destes US$300 por<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laptop.<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sinceramente acho muito difícil o preço cair<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mais, já que cada máquina<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deve pagar todos os impostos normais, incluir<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> o software do servidor e<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ainda cada licitante tem que oferecer garantia<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> de 3 anos para o laptop<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e o software do servidor.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A OLPC, que teria um preço bom, custa 342<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reais hoje (sem frete),<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> somando-se todos os impostos o preço tende<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dobrar e cada OLPC sairá<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> por 700 reais! Some-se o custo individual da<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> garantia de 3 anos, o<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> custo de instalação do servidor (no caso da<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OLPC o desenvolvimento do<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> software já está feito) e o risco (que é alto)<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fica difícil oferecer<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> um valor razoável.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mas vamos continuar acompanhando.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Um abraço,<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jaime Balbino<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________<br>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brasil mailing list<span class="Apple-converted-space"> 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